User talk:Jimp

• Archives I, II, III, IV, V and VI

Sockpuppetry

To me, it's very obvious that DavidPaulHamilton is a sock of someone. All the evidence points to Fnagaton. But, apparently, the evidence I presented at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Fnagaton isn't convincing enough. Do you know of anything else we could present? I guess the odd mannerisms and writing style are not as obvious to someone who hasn't interacted with him very much, so we need to spell it out more clearly. — Omegatron (talk) 19:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Your Measurement template

Hi. I notice that you had a template entitled "User talk:Jimp/Measurement" deleted this morning. In doing so, though, the template transcluded the CSD request to any pages where it was included, so your Talk Archive II was also listed for deletion. I nowiki'd the template on that page to clear the problem, here, so your talk archive is no longer at risk for deletion. Just an FYI to explain why I was mucking about in your archives. Best, UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 14:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:RFPP for {{Ordomag}}

I have unprotected the two templates you named. After you're done, please tell me so that I can re-protect them (since they're high-risk). -- King of ♠ 04:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Lightbot is running

The bot (User:Lightbot) is running. Lightmouse (talk) 00:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

beaudy. JIMp _talk·cont 07:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I asked a question of you about which subtemplates to target. If you would be kind enough to give me suggestions, I would appreciate it. Please see Template_talk:Convert#Bot_to_convert_cum_to_m3_within_the_template. Regards Lightmouse (talk) 09:23, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

You did. Sorry for the delay. JIMp _talk·cont 16:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

That is fine. Can you also make a comment at Template_talk:Convert#Your_bot_is_damaging_articles. Regards. Lightmouse (talk) 16:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Who measures knots to the nearest thousandth of a knot

You asked the question who measures knots to the nearest thousandth of a knot? The answer was the British Admiralty. Trial speeds in knots were always quoted to three decimal places. The figures were calculated as the average of several runs. As for kts this was the normal abbreviation.--Toddy1 (talk) 17:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

sq and cu

There are a few remaining sq and cu. They are:

• sqm and sqkm. Some of these are in articles or templates that I changed but were changed back.
• combinations such as 'sqft sqm'. I have not been brave enough to create 'sqft m2' but I am sure that is what is required.
• some may be new, possibly due to monobooks.

Take a look. Perhaps we might want to deprecate the ones that have no usage. Lightmouse (talk) 19:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

disp=or

Hi Jim,

Can you proof read the following subtemplates:

1. Template:Convert/LoffAonDorSon
2. Template:Convert/LoffAonDorSoff‎
3. Template:Convert/LoffAoffDorSoff‎

They're for using the word or instead of the slash.

{{convert|100|ft|m|disp=or}} -->100 feet or 30 metres

Thanks, — 20:18, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I know am missing some of the other subtemplates (like Lon), but I'll get to those later. I just wanted to make sure the code on those was correct first. — 20:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

The codes looked mostly okay. You took the Ds codes and replaced the slash with an "or", right? One change I've made was to have the ***Aon***Son***s redirect to ***Aon***Soff***s since the adjective/noun form distinction is negated when you're using symbols/abbreviations.

You've covered the most useful instances but, yes, there are a few holes yet to fill. To see what I mean look under Or on the pages linked to from here. ... I know; it's huge ... if only I'd had any idea how this thing would expand back in October.

JIMp _talk·cont 03:15, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Whoa...

I'll try to filled in what I can based on the Ds codes. — 14:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

But wait: there'll be a problem with multiple conversions if we're doing things like this. We'll be getting things like "1.00 tonne or 0.98 long tons/1.10 short tons". This'll be tricky. JIMp _talk·cont 14:39, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

{{convert|1.00|nmi|disp=or}} --->1.00 nautical mile or 1.85 kilometres/1.15 miles

I see. Would this involve some type of #if: in the Convert/multi2... subtemplates? — 15:31, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Some type of something ... JIMp _talk·cont 15:45, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Do you think the dual output thing could work in the same manner that Template:Convert/multi2table and multi3table work? — 02:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Template:Convert/list of units/energy/Btu

When you had the templates Convert/MMBTU and Convert/MBTU deleted it left two redlinks in the Template:Convert/list of units/energy/Btu that is causing an run onn effect. I had a try at it but it looked as if I was going to make it worse, good job there's a preview button, so I left it. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 15:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I've fixed them, thanks for the reminder. JIMp _talk·cont 03:16, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Template:Ordomag

Is Template:Ordomag supposed to be able to accept any expression (e.g., {{ordomag|1*-1}})? It currently fails in this case. If it is supposed to be able to accept this sort of input, I'll add some parentheses to get the order of operations working properly. --- RockMFR 02:13, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting the error & fixing the template up. JIMp _talk·cont 03:17, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

request for comment

Hello. I would appreciate your comments here and here. Thank you. Thunderbird2 (talk) 18:39, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I've added my thripence worth to the page. JIMp _talk·cont 03:19, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Jimp/sand2

Hi Jimp. I nowiki'd two templates on this sandbox page; apparently, the user who created them requested that they be deleted. The result was that your page (and others) were also up for speedy deletion. You shouldn't have any further problem. FYI, UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 15:00, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, sometimes I forget to put the delete tags inside noincludes. JIMp _talk·cont 15:02, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Templates

Whoops! The one you want is now fully unprotected and I've restored the protection for the other one. Sorry about that. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 18:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Imperial system

"(the US does not use the imperial system...)" That is not true, the so-called US customary system is just a local variant of the Imperial system, hence it uses yards, miles, feet and inches, which are Imperial units. +Hexagon1 ^(t) 08:11, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I suspect 'US customary units' are another 'freedom fries'-type thing. In my experience saying that the US uses anything but the Imperial system would initially probably yield a laugh, followed by uneasy edging away if you persisted in your delusion. :) I'm not going to argue this, because I know I would deteriorate to petty dismissal of American attitudes (the Germans didn't fight too, why don't they call them Freedom measles?) but I really don't want to get into that, so, in the spirit of preserving peace and serenity on this Wikipedia, I'll take your word for it. (I know you're not American, but I still don't want to get into that.) +Hexagon1 ^(t) 07:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

No worries :)

You found a draft of something I was working on that got superseded by someone's much better one in mainspace... I've deleted it. Orderinchaos 06:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:Rnd unprotect

Hi Jimp, I can unprotect Rnd and Rnd/+, but I'd be more comfortable just copying code from your sandbox or wherever into the live template. I'm also leaving this to see if you are currently online...if so, then I'll go ahead and unprotect so you can do your thing. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 06:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Bah, it is cascade protected, so I couldn't unprotect it if I wanted. Point me to the Rnd and Rnd/+ code and I'll apply manually. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 06:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, change applied. Please let me know ASAP if anything looks amiss. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 07:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Update applied. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 07:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, had a call I had to take care of in dispatch. Okay, so problem solved and Ordomag doesn't need updating? — Huntster (t • @ • c) 07:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, fix is applied. Anytime you need a protected template fixed, just drop me a line, and it'll be priority one as soon as I see it. I consider Convert that critical and useful ;) And, I got a chuckle from the "no, yes, no..." line, heh. Unless you specifically need them to remain unprotected, I'll go ahead and protect the template sub-pages you created in this effort, even though they are currently protected through the cascade system. That didn't make much sense...I'll go ahead and protect these regardless. As always, very nice work here. I can understand the function of these things once I look at the code, but actually writing them? That's so far beyond me.... — Huntster (t • @ • c) 08:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Copy. If you wanted to set up sandbox page that listed all the code I needed to copy, I could to it for you if I'm online. If you have a sorta-kinda timeframe for when that may be, I'll make sure to be around. Also, thank you for working on this change...as mentioned before, I too share the opinion that the number needs to be raise. I have utter confidence, as you are the template king when it comes to this stuff :) — Huntster (t • @ • c) 02:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Understood! — Huntster (t • @ • c) 04:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Hah, that's just fine :) I'm not sure when I'll be waking up (on break from work right now, so I'm enjoying sleeping in), but just leave a message and I'll attack. UFOs bearing tax forms are one thing...be glad they aren't carrying bobcats and velociraptors.... — Huntster (t • @ • c) 08:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Jimp, sorry I have been away; Comcast services (everything...internet, TV, phone) has been down in my area of town for more than a day...I'm on my University's wireless for a few minutes to send this and check email. I've got their army of trucks rolling around trying to figure out what happened. Heh, apparently everyone around here has grown to just "accept" Comcast's problems, since I was, by their account, the first to report the problem. Sorry, I'm rambling/venting. In any case, once they fix the problem, I'll immediately take care of the updates, if they haven't been done already. Again, sorry. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 18:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I think everything is back in order on my end. I see Rnd has been updated by others, however, I'm holding off on protecting the subpages, as there appears to be a significant error generated by something related (as detailed on the Convert talk page). — Huntster (t • @ • c) 21:51, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Date formatting

ISO dates

I just wanted to point out that 1985-04-13 ([[1985-04-13]]) and 13 April 1985 ([[13 April]] [[1985]]) will appear the same way. Every user on Wikipedia can set their preferences to have the date appear whichever way is best for them, and both of those formats will display the date properly automatically. Therefore, there is no reason to go around "fixing" the dates when they will appear correctly regardless of which way they are written (at least in regard to the two methods given above). ···^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 21:47, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

As you say, "Every user on Wikipedia can set their preferences ..." but we're not only writing for users. Most visitors to the site will be unloggedin. Therefore there is good reason to go around fixing the dates. According to WP:MOSNUM#Dates:

ISO 8601 dates (1976-05-31) are uncommon in English prose, and are generally not used in Wikipedia. However, they may be useful in long lists and tables for conciseness and ease of comparison.

JIMp _talk·cont 02:46, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I believe the default, whether as an anon IP or a new user who hasn't changed the preference, is to display the dates as "6 July 2008" or "July 6, 2008", so that line really is pointless. As long as you use [[1985-04-13]] or [[13 April]] [[1985]] formatting, the date will display properly. ···^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 03:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

If you're not logged in, you'll see the raw ISO date. Log out & see for yourself. JIMp _talk·cont 04:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Well then, that's just bad programming on MediaWiki's end. The default appearance for people with no account should be the same as someone who has an account but hasn't changed their preferences. Regardless, the dates are perfectly readable and most of the world now lists dates like that. The States are just behind the times. ···^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 06:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

←outdent
Bad programming on MediaWiki's end, sure, but we've got to use what we've got. I believe the default appearance for those who have an account but haven't changed their preferences is the same as that for people with no account, i.e. whatever is typed in. I'm not convinced that "most of the world now lists dates like that", however, I don't see the relevance of this. As reflected in the Manual of Style, what's important is how dates are written in English prose. ISO dates are perfectly readable, true, but they are certainly not the norm in written English. Maybe the English language is behind the times but that's the language we're writing in. I'm no fan of the muddled-up American style of writing dates, I prefer day-month-year, but at least they're both normal English. JIMp _talk·cont 平成二十年七月六日十五時四三十分

auto-lemon

Jim—I see you're concerned about the bright-blue underlined splash that goes with the autoformatting function. An equally undesirable aspect for me is that the actual formatting works for only a tiny proportion of readers (us); everyone else cops the blue and the raw formatting, which is often inconsistent within articles because it's concealed from us. 02:49, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

programmer-thinking gone mad

I've had a turn-around, too, Jim—from trying to have it fixed to realising that it was stupid and unnecessary at the start. Designing a system that only WPians can see? Ummmmmm. So colour/color we deal with, but 3 January / January 3, we can't? I say this is computer-programmer thinking gone mad! 02:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps there is no hope for this lemon. One thing it does do is hide problems from WPians. I went and fixed some ISO dates yesterday only to be reverted with the claim that the autoformatting would deal with it anyway. I tried explaining that for most, it won't (details just above); Nihonjoe, are you considering reverting your "correction" of my "improper" fixing of dates? We, the logged-in who've set our date prefs don't see these ISO dates nor inconsistancies unless we're in edit mode. If they wanted to do it properly, it should deal also with spelling and work on IP addresses also. High apple pie in the sky hopes ... JIMp _talk·cont 03:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I've recently become aware of this issue too, and just turned off my date preference. I had always assumed that the software chose a sensible default format for anonymous users, not that it would display the date in the form entered. (Duh!) I will never link a date for autoformatting again, if I can help it. I recommend others abandon this turkey of a feature too.--Srleffler (talk) 05:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Soon after writing the above post, I turned my preferences off too. If we, the Wikipedians, boycot the broken autoformatting en mass, it might one day be fixed and even if it's never fixed, we'll reduce overlinking and bring inconsistencies & irregularities out into the light where they'll have a chance of being fixed. JIMp _talk·cont 06:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:Convert

		The Template Barnstar
		Your hard work very much appreciated in determining the problem with Template:Convert and getting the issue resolved. 15:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:Convert/pround Problem

I think this template is having a problem. Can you look into it? BTW: I am trying to use Convert light year to presec

The display I am getting is

1 megalight-year (0.307 Mpc)

What I want is

1 Mly (0.307 Mpc)

I will appreciate your help. Sumanch (talk) 05:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

The parameters lk and abbr control linking and abbreviation (respectively). Try this.

{{convert|1|Mly|Mpc|3|lk=on|abbr=on}} → "1 Mly (0.307 Mpc)"

JIMp _talk·cont 05:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes this was what I was looking for. Thank you.

I also made a little change in Template:Convert/±/AonSoff so that it does not display the units twice inside bracket. I left a comment in the talk page. Sumanch (talk) 06:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

{{Ft to m}}

Hi, Jimp! Could you, please, look into this problem? You re-designed the whole thing a while ago, so it would probably take you quicker to fix this than it would be for me to first figure out the whole set-up. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to clean this up.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:12, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Its broken again. 33 feet by 66 feet by 42 feet (10 m × 20 m × 13 m)--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC) Why isn't it working at Portal:Chicago/Selected article/70?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:40, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

What am I suppose to do?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

The page is not transcluded at the problematic location. What is the problem? Can you fix it?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The new code did not fix the problem, I added precision=1 to the template to fix the problem. If I remove it the problem comes back.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

auto-lemon

Hi Jim

MOSNUM doesn't deprecate; it merely no longer encourages lemon. I've already had one person say that it encourages, and had to quote this back at them:

Careful consideration of the disadvantages and advantages of the autoformatting mechanism should be made before applying it: the mechanism does not work for the vast majority of readers, such as unregistered users and registered users who have not made a setting, and can affect readability and appearance if there are already numerous high-value links in the text.

This is the stock text I paste in when reviewing FACs and FLCs that are pretty busy with links and could do with some relief from bright-blue-splotch:

It was overlinked (see MOSNUM, which no longer encourages date autoformatting and which now prescribes rules for the raw formatting), and MOSLINK and CONTEXT, so I've reduced some of it [or "removed the date autoformatting] to allow your high-value links to breathe.

Sandy has complained that the guidelines don't mention that the main text of an article should be either all auto-dudded or not at all—no half-way houses. And there's the slight issue of the hard space, which, strictly speaking, I suppose should be inserted between month and day, or day and month. Need to add a recommendation for that, too, at the three relevant pages (MOSNUM, MOSLINK and CONTEXT).

03:01, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

PS We still have the issue of the cite web template, where the techy guys who maintain it haven't yet managed to make lemon optional on it. This means that just about all reference lists at the bottom of articles have lemon. I don't care about the inconsistency in that respect, and hope that soon we'll sort out the option to switch off lemon from the template. 03:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

PPS, Also, if you cleanse an article, it's best to insert an invisible editors' comment at the top: , to forestall any well-meaning reverter who may come along without knowing the new context. 03:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Puerto Ricans in World War II

Jim, you don't know me and I don't know you, since I've never had the pleasure of interacting with you, however I feel that I must thank you for all of the minor corrections which you have made to the mainpage's featured article, in this case "Puerto Ricans in World War II". I truely appreciate your dedication to our project. I wish we had more people like you making positive and contrustive contributions Tony the Marine (talk) 04:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Reply

Hello, Jimp. You have new messages at SQL's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} template.

Obsolete {{C to F}}

I'd appreciate it if you could comment here. ––Bender235 (talk) 08:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Vote on unit symbols for liter

We had earlier been trying to settle on wording to use for a guideline governing the unit symbol to use for the liter. There is now a vote, here at Straw poll on unit symbol usage for the liter to settle on just what it is we hope to accomplish with any guideline’s wording. I hope to see you there. Greg L (talk) 22:56, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Airport

subpages

If you have the time could you take a look at the template. Currently the elevation and distances have to be manually converted. Is it possible to adjust it so that the conversions can be done automatically, such as in {{Infobox Settlement}}, but without breaking the current system. The current ones could be deprecated and phased out over time. However, because it's an airport it has some strange requirements. For the runway lengths the default should be metres first with feet second with the option to change to feet first for Canada and the US. For the elevation the default should be feet first with metres second and the option for metres first for the few places that do it that way. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 23:01, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Sure it's possible. One problem though is that the current default seems to be feet first for both. JIMp _talk·cont 06:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Cross reference

I noticed that you used {{Template talk:Convert/list of units/area}} as a cross reference. That is very handy. Is there a way to do the same thing but linking the cross reference just to a section (not the whole page)? Lightmouse (talk) 10:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

AN/I

FYI: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#WP:MOSNUM. (sdsds - talk) 10:37, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Solar masses

Thanks for implementing solar masses at Template:convert. Much appreciated! —Alex (ASHill | talk | contribs) 23:18, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Centurynum/m

A tag has been placed on Template:Centurynum/m requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 16:06, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Did you have a job for Lighbot?

I seem to remember you saying that you had a job for Lightbot. What was it? Lightmouse (talk) 22:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

convert - Isolating converted value

Hi, Is there a way to isolate the converted value and use it separately?
what I mean is instead of 3.5 kilograms (7.7 lb), write the 7.7lb. Sumanch (talk) 23:44, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes & no. Yes, there is way which will involve a number of additions to {{convert}} to get it working. So, no this is not currently available ... unless you're up to the task of adding it to convert. I have, however, considered this kind of thing in the past ... so there is a blueprint of sorts waiting for me to find the time. I'll try to keep you posted. JIMp _talk·cont 07:21, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

IEC prefixes

You may wish to comment on this discussion at MOSNUM. Thunderbird2 (talk) 18:17, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany

Regarding this edit, see WP:BOLDTITLE. (talk) 17:59, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Exactly "However, if the title of a page is descriptive and does not appear verbatim in the main text, then it should not be in boldface." JIMp _talk·cont 18:03, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

But this is not the case here because it is verbatim. It is only separated by a phrase between Nazi Germany and Anti-tobacco movement, the phrases appears in the title Nazi Germany and anti-tobacco movement should be in boldface separately. (talk) 18:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

For example see the featured article United Kingdom corporation tax where Corporation tax is in boldface. (talk) 18:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Prostitution in the People's Republic of China is also a featured article and you can see the format used there. (talk) 18:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Is it verbatim or is it not? Strictly it's not but ... we'd be getting into the pedantic discussing that. What I'd prefer to discuss is the new wording which got us here. This is not the place. JIMp _talk·cont 18:31, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

This is what I mean by "new wording". I don't see this change discussed at all on "Wikipedia talk:Lead section". Perhaps it's time it should be. JIMp _talk·cont 09:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)