User talk:Mange01

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Category:Articles with example pidgincode

Hello, and also a warm welcome from me. I saw that you created Category:Articles with example pidgincode. Could you please explain me why you did this? I can't see at the moment why it would be useful to categorize all articles with pidgin code together. Thanks in advance for your reply. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 02:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I nominated it for deletion, at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 October_17#Category:Articles with example pidgincode. Wonder if you could comment there. Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:33, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanx for the warm welcome. I created the category becuase I need it, and beleive others also do. When I have written academic publications with pidgin code (mathematical style pseudo code), I have often looked for good examples on formatting. Pidgin code is much more compact and less informal than conventional pseudo code, and is ideal for describing algorithms. There are 16 other sub categories of Category:Articles_with_example_code, including Category:Articles with example pseudocode, so why not this one?

Do you suggest that the name should be changed to Articles with mathematical style pseudo code? Mange01 11:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

If you have the time, you could go back and re-tag those articles with the "Articles with example code" category. It'd at least give you (and others) a central place to find them. Thanks, Lunch 20:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern. I have solved it by linking to those articles from the pseudo code article. Kindly, Mange01 15:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Renaming pages and fixing redirects

If you rename a page, please find all the pages that point to the newly-created redirect page for the old name (go to the old name, which will take you to the new name; click on the old name in the "Redirected from" item at the top of the page, which takes you to the redirect page; click on "What links here" in the "toolbox" section on the left margin, which takes you to a page showing all the pages that link to the redirect page), and then fix all the links that are from "redirect pages" to redirect to the new name. Wikipedia doesn't do more than one level of redirection, so if, for example, you go to CIFS, it doesn't take you to the Server message block page, it takes you to the "Server Message Block" redirect page.

BTW, the Wikipedia conventions on capitalization in titles say "Do not capitalize second and subsequent words unless the title is a proper noun (such as a name) or is otherwise almost always capitalized" (emphasis mine), so "Server Message Block" would be considered OK as a title if it's usually referred to, when spelled out, as "Server Message Block" (see, for example, the Transmission Control Protocol page). Guy Harris 21:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

TCP/IP model vs. DoD model

Then perhaps the DoD model page should be renamed to TCP/IP model, as that page should discuss the model rather than the protocol suite. A direct rename isn't possible, as there's already a TCP/IP model page; I'll request that the move be done by an administrator. (And, no, I'm not happy about of much of what the DoD's done since its formation, either.) Guy Harris 08:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

 :)

Good idea. "TCP/IP reference model" could be an alternative name, or it should at least be redirected to the TCP/IP model page.

I added the template:IPstack template to the DoD model page. The template should be modified to include the five layers. And the text should emphasize the five layer model over the old four layer one. Mange01 09:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it's too late to stop the momentum, but there is no IETF document that specifies a "reference model." Reference model is essentially an OSI concept that was never used in the IETF philosophy, articulated by Dave Clark, of "We don't believe in kings, presidents, or voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code."

Too many years of my life was spent working with ISO/ITU formalism and lack of results. I have spent enough years as an IETF participant to accept that a protocol reference model is of use only as an introductory learning aid, certainly not a constraint on protocol architecture. Ironically, those who insist on the value of the OSI Reference Model seem to assume that it was frozen in the main ISO 7498 document, not even in the annexes to it, and certainly not the later refinements such as the Internal Organization of the Network Layer, OSI Routeing Framework, and other documents that actually made it realistic. Howard C. Berkowitz 00:32, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Category: Physical layer protocols

I have reverted one of your additions (in ISDN) of the Physical layer protocol category tag, before I noticed that you have made this change in a number of other articles. Instead of reverting those as well I thought I'd come and talk to you first. I explained my ISDN revert in the comments. You have also tagged Modem as a physical layer protocol. I'm perhaps a nitpicker, but modems aren't protocols, but rather they implement protocols. Secondly, whereas their primary function is to modulate and demodulate (which are indeed layer-1 functions), the vast majority of modems implement higher-layer protocols as well (e.g. layer-2 functions such as framing, flow control, error detection and error correction). I'd be interested in your thoughts. JanCeuleers 13:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou for a good comment! I have answered it in Category_talk:Physical_layer_protocols. Mange01 20:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Good job

Hi good work with categories in computer neworks, wireless communication .. :) --- ALM 22:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou ALM for your encouragement! I notice in your contribution list that you are perhaps even more active as wiki editor than I am! Mange01 23:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Do not know about this for sure. However, over this weekend, I want to create articles on S-MAC and MACAW, Wireless sensor network and Ad-hoc network MAC protocols. I hope that you would have time to review them when I will be done with them. It is because my English is not good. Should I leave a message after creating them? In real life my supervisor re-write most of my papers :). Thank you. --- ALM 00:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I have added them to my watch list. Looking forward to read them. However, I don't speak native English, so don't trust me too much. Mange01 00:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Most of my Swedish friends had better English than me. I had worked six months in Lund University and like Swedish people in general (have good memories). --- ALM 00:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Nice to hear! Actually I am responsible for master of science programmes in computer engineering at Mid Sweden University. We have had a quite large group of students from Pakistan the last two years, and I have good experience from working with them. Several of them are better than me on English, and all of them are very polite.

I would like to invite you to be a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Telecommunications Mange01 01:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Thanx for welcoming me to WikiProject_Telecommunications, but I will not be a major contributor. I am a computer programmer (I wrote 1% of the Cobol 2002 standard). I run the wires and such, but I am no expert in telecommunications. I am working on Disambiguation_pages_with_links and handled the word "propagation". All I did was fix links; I am not doing content.

If you are doing content, let me tell you what you need: Sumbuddy in the telecommunications project should write an article called Signal propagation, and many of the links I just pointed at wave propagation and radio propagation should be redirected thereto. Also, you need to take on the regular task of keeping propagation links clean. -- Randall Bart 00:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanx for the suggestion. I dont understand the difference between signal and wave propagation. Why not merge radio/wave propagation into one article, and call it signal propagation? Mange01 01:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Your edits to the WP:TEL page

Sorry I didn't respond earlier, I must have missed your message, I jujst noticed it. Thanks for your help, they really helped the page a lot. You are welcome to beomce a member, if you choose to, and have not already. aido2002 05:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Computer networking

		The Technology Barnstar
		This barnstar is in recognition of your reorganization and cleanup of the whole computer networking tree. It is a project I had started, went off on a wikibreak and upon return found you had taken it to the next level. Thanks for your diligence and insight! JonHarder talk 01:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I am flattered. Mange01 12:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the invite to WP:TEL! :-) --HappyCamper 16:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.

Thanks for the fix in 4G. I spend more time re-writing than re-searching and I'm glad someone keeps my edits honest :) Cheers. DasBub 21:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

And thnx for spending time correcting my spelling mistake... :)

Equalizer mention in the Fading article

Hi! I notice you re-inserted the equalizer mention into the list of techniques for improving robustness to fading. I added a comment to the Talk page there regarding my motivation for the initial removal and would appreciate if you could weigh in with your thoughts. Thanks! Elch Yenn 14:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi ...

I wish to join wikiproject telecommunication. Please tell me how to go about it, and anything else I need to know. Thanks. -- Amit 01:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

You are most welcome! You are only a couple of clicks from joining... Click at WP:TEL. Scroll down to "full time..." or "part time participans" and click at the "Edit" link besides that header. Add the following line below the list of participants: * ~~~~. You may also add the {{WikiProject:Tel}} template to your own user page.

Digital Audio broadcast

Hi, i see that you have voiced some concerns over the digital audio broadcast article. I have posted a request for comments about the bias of the article, and hope that you can spare a few minutes and share your comments. best regards, Ga-david.b 18:50, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Articles with example pseudocode

Hello. This is a courtesy note that I nominated Category:Articles with example pseudocode for deletion. You can comment at the CfD debate. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 14:54, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Thnx for notifying me. Mange01 (talk)

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baseband vs passband

I reverted your changes about baseband versus passband in Shannon–Hartley theorem. Please take another look, and explain on the article talk page if you still think there's a difference in this context. Dicklyon (talk) 15:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Thnx for informing me, and for watching over the quality of this article. Mange01 (talk) 22:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:COMPUTING Invitation

I have noticed that you are already a member of a related project and thought you might be interested in this wikiproject also and hence leaving this note ... - From the outreach dept

Please accept this invite to join the Computing WikiProject, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to computers and computing. Simply click here to accept! -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 06:11, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Intergrated banner for WikiProject Computer networking

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Wikimania 2010 could be coming to Stockholm!

I'm leaving you a note as you may be interested in this opportunity.

People from all six Nordic Wiki-communities (sv, no, nn, fi, da and is) are coordinating a bid for Wikimania 2010 in Stockholm. I'm sending you a message to let you know that this is occurring, and over the next few months we're looking for community support to make sure this happens! See the bid page on meta and if you like such an idea, please sign the "supporters" list at the bottom. Tack (or takk), and have a wonderful day! Mike H. Fierce! 09:11, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you help me find this source of this information77.30.71.27 (talk) 19:36, 10 November 2008 (UTC)AA

I saw that you are a full-time member in WikiProject Telecommunications and I have a question about information that I found in that project but I did not find its citation. I do not know if you can help me find the source of this information it would be greate help to me.

the information that I am looking to its source is the colomn named Typ throughput (Mbit/s) in the table shown in this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Wireless_Networking_Standards

Regards 77.30.71.27 (talk) 19:36, 10 November 2008 (UTC)AA

Hello. Actually I was the one that added the template "citation needed" in that column a while ago. Please contribute with some reference to that article. The throughput figures might have to be adjusted. If you search in Google scholar or google books for 802.11 +"typical throughput" you might find some good references. After a quick search, I found this source. But I don't agree with the usage of the term "raw data rate" in that book. To my understanding, they mean the physical layer net bit rate. The raw bit rate inclusive of error-correction codes and synchronization overhead is even higher. The reason that the typical throughput is lower than the maximum net bit rate is to my understanding link adaptation (automatic change of modulation scheme and error-correcting code), ARQ data packet retransmissions, MAC layer CSMA/CA waiting time and other link layer protocol overhead. But maybe I'm wrong. Please check this, and feel free to clarify it in the article. Mange01 (talk) 19:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your help.

I have found other sources but still there is no formal source that uses the same numbers used in wikipedia. is there a way to know how has added this information so that we can ask him about the source of this information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.31.80.43 (talk) 21:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

The average throughput can not be hard facts, since it depends on measurement method, environment, type of data traffic, distance, interference situation, antenna type, manufacturer, etc. Even in a computer simulation, there are many possible traffic models and wave propagation models that people use, and that gives different results. I would not trust Wikipedia on this issue, since no source is given. Once again, don't hesitate to replace these numbers by figures that you have found in a book or a peer-reviwed paper, or a standard, and state the source.

I searched through the history. The numbers have been adjusted several times, but almost the same numbers were published in the [IEEE 802.11 version 5th may 2007 by user:75.68.113.133. Other number were published in the [IEEE 802.11 version 28 maj 2006] by user:203.173.155.197. Mange01 (talk) 13:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

MedCab

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Get in touch with

The person responsible for this course - I think it would be a good idea. What do you think? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|} 19:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Thnks - definitely interesting! I found the syllabus of this high school course, and added it to the wikiversity:wikipedia#Other courses. Mange01 (talk) 00:26, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Quiz

I'm trying to understand what the purpose is of Multiple-choice test about criticism of Wikipedia. Can you explain? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 00:38, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Impressive, I haven't seen that wiki functionality yet. Can this be used for real classroom quizzes, with secure grading? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|} 07:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Will: These are self-test questions or review questions, that aims at checking that you have understood the Wikipedia article where you found the link. They are part of the Wikiversity course on Wikis and Wikipedia. I have now tried to explain that in the text. Please fact-check them. If people help me improving them, I will develop more questions.

Piotrus: In the "real" university course that we are developing, similar questions will be given as assessments, on the course Moodle server. But i start developing them on the Wikiversity site, because I need help with checking the formulations, the correct answers, etc. Why not add your name to the List of interested course developers? Mange01 (talk) 08:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)