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Thank You for your help

thank you for your help with Pine Ridge Job Corps article I've been having trouble finding good web sites with information about Pine Ridge any more help would be greatly appricated. Neon5162 (talk) 16:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Also thank you for understanding the delicate position for Don Talbot FoolesTroupe (talk) 06:55, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK initial Board election

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Thanks PamD. I'm not very good at wikipedia and such. I am going to try and sign this. Tubs uk 15:55 27/09 —Preceding undated comment was added at 14:55, 27 September 2008 (UTC).

Thanks

Thanks Pam for correcting layout problem (27 Sept) on Leeds page. 29 September 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.95.35 (talk) 18:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks Pam for correcting Title style problem and further suggestions to related style changes on the Ronald Brown (mathematician) entry pages. Bci2 (talk) 11:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)Bci2

A siginificant number of citations and References are contained in my updated article on Ronald Brown. Please consider the updated text accordingly. Any suggestions on links improvements for inline citations--with a full description of how such inline citations should be exactly implemented-- would be much appreciated. Thank you.Bci1new (talk) 16:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)Bci1new

I've already left a message on your talk page to explain how to add inline citations. PamD (talk) 16:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I cannot find any clear instructions; on my preferences there are none of the menu items that you mentioned; thus, I could not use your instructions

at all. Hope you can provide something easier that really works. Cheers, hope it' s not too gloomy in Leeds as it was when I was there!Bci1new (talk) 16:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)Bci1new

If you click on "My preferences", is the right-hand tab not "Gadgets", after "Misc"? (It's difficult to know how much of what I see depends on settings I've previously opted for).PamD (talk) 17:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, the Preferences page seems to look quite different now==before it was completely empty==: I had no choices whatsoever before, even the Misc did not show up , and there are definitely no "Gadgets" that you suggested--a very big difference indeed. Thank you for updating the info, but inline linking does not seem to work as well with web links, as doi is not always avaliable but URLs are why ? If you'd not mind helping please show me a simple example of the code for a paper inline link using a web url that works as claimed. Second question, what can one do to avoid overlinking? Any really good suggestions? Hope it doesn't rain in Leeds again? Cheers, Bci2 (talk)Bci2 —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC).
For info about citation templates, see here - you can copy and paste the relevant one and fill in the fields you've got (empty fields don't cause any problem). On overlinking - only link once per section to any one article, and don't link from within references, for a start. Hope that helps. Oh, and when adding things to talk pages, please (a) add it to the relevant section of discussion, not the bottom of the page, (b) indent your answer using ":" repeated as often as needed, and (c) sign using four tildes or the signature button, which gives both name and date. Thanks, PamD (talk) 06:53, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Charity Commission template

Is it just me or does the autolink in your UKcharity template no longer work? --mervyn (talk) 16:19, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting this! I think I can see how to fix the template, but would like to check a few more charities to make sure it's consistent before doing so. At least having templated the links, one change to the template ought to fix it - there are still plenty of other links, as I've only worked through the As and Bs so far to add the template to pages. No time to fix right now - real world things to do - but will check it out ASAP. Thanks again, PamD (talk) 16:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Aaaaargh! The Charity Commission have (a) made their site so sophisticated that it seems to almost freeze my PC, especially if I have two charities' pages open at once, and (b) broken the simple link from charity number to URL: compare http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/ShowCharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1094231&SubsidiaryNumber=0 and http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/ShowCharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=207495&SubsidiaryNumber=0 . I've fixed the template to work for some charities, and have emailed a previous contact who assured me that their new site shouldn't cause problems, to explain the difficulty! Have also added a note at Template talk:UK charity. PamD (talk) 08:24, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

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Oh dear

I'm messing this template for deletion thingy up completely. Er, HALP plsthnx? doktorb wordsdeeds 17:48, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Amber Rives

Hi,the Amber Rives article I had was slightly altered from one on the Simple English Wikipedia page of her [1] however I can see why it was deleted as it was not different enough.But the image was not copyrighted because all have to come from Wikipedia Commons?Also I could not write an article on Amber Rives as it is blocked so I had to add the disambiguation.Do you know why there is not an article on her yet?Thank you.--Usher4Life (talk) 19:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the history of the article it seems that the title "Amber Rives" has been "protected" to prevent its re-creation because, according to User:Gogo Dodo it was being repeatedly re-created with no reliable sources to show notability. Creating it with an unnecessary "Disambiguation" to get round that protection is not allowed. You need to find independent professionally published sources to show she is notable. I'm not sure how you then set about getting the page protection lifted - you could ask Gogo Dozo. PamD (talk) 22:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

WPYorks Front page

Thanks for the fix. I just couldn't "spot the difference".--Harkey (talk) 15:36, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Leeds

Hi Pam, hope you do not mind the changes I have made to Leeds while copy-editing for the DVD there were a couple of controversial changes but not too much. I was wondering if I could enlist your help, as you appear to to familiar with the area. I have added a couple of dated tags and some dead link tags to the article and wondered if you know any recent details for these or where the information can be found. There is also a minor problem over Stanningley SARLC or Stanningley ARLFC is it the same thing or 2 different clubs?

On the structure the major problem is repetition of information, I was wondering if it would be possible to kill the events section as most of this appears lower down in the article. Any thoughts? Keith D (talk) 11:43, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Leeds

Nope, I'm taking a break for a few minutes due to going cross-eyed :D [ roux ] [x] was prince of canada 15:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Earl Brian

Pam, if you want to delete Earl Brian, go ahead. The point is: Earl Brian is significant enough in U.S. history that there should be a Wikipedia article on him. I do not have the time right now to write one. Deleting that small amount of background material for anyone who links into Earl Brian from Inslaw,Danny Casolaro, the October Surprise conspiracy, or Michael Riconosciuto serves little purpose other than to make a statement. Hag2 (talk) 12:54, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Hag2: I wasn't wanting to make any "statement" about the man as I'd never heard of him before coming across the article as a stub for sorting. The article just seemed a total mess, and inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Can't you find time for even a couple of sentences of coherent text? PamD (talk) 12:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, Pam. Do you think that a short paragraph will be sufficient? I suppose I could find time to summarize a brief background history. Also, why not move this discussion onto the Talkpage for me while I write a paragraph, or two. I'll have something for you by tomorrow morning. See if you can move this discussion (with a "cut and paste") onto the talkpage by then so it doesn't clutter your talkpage. How's that for a solution? It shows two things: a willingness to improve Earl Brian, and a desire to open meaningful discussion on a developing article. Hag2 (talk) 13:06, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Belvoir (plantation)

thanks for the comments, i was just filling in a red link, at the Byran and Sally Fairfax pages it was capitalized half the time. a cut and paste from govt website seem like a a stub to me, but i will take your upgrade to start :} Pohick2 (talk) 14:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

R to dab

Yes, they're all fine. I'm only replacing them because there's only a few of the redirects, and I'm labelling a load of them, don't want to label them twice. Rich Farmbrough, 16:51 16 October 2008 (UTC).

Leeds

Hi Pam, hope you do not mind but I axed the population figures again in the infobox as it is not really the place for talking about the metro area and not done in similar articles such as Bradford. The result is very confusing as the lower figure is from the 2001 census and the other figure is a mid-2007 estimate. The UK place infoboxes generally go with the 2001 census figure while the ones for local authorities go with the 2007 figure, but in this case they are for different areas. The text details the 2 figures and that should be sufficient, it also gives some clarification of the figures which the infobox does not. I know that several people are trying to change it and massage the figures, they have even tried changing the list articles to inflate Leeds above Liverpool. Keith D (talk) 11:20, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Keith, I suppose my view was that a clearly annotated figure to show what the larger figure is was preferable to constant additions of unannotated info! And as we've seen, it is a permanently ongoing struggle against those who (a) want to glorify the city in any way and at all costs, and/or (b) don't want to recognise any distinction between the city and the City (met district). I thought that leaving the two figures might be the lesser of two evils! PamD (talk) 13:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Well done on colliery links

Just thought that I would thank you for your work on the Yorkshire collieries article. It is good to see more colliery-village links. I have added a few more myself so that it seems complete now.

There is just one of your alterations that I have changed. Ferrymoor pit was indeed in Grimethorpe, but it closed in 1973 and merged with Riddings pit in South Kirkby, becoming known as Ferrymoor-Riddings henceforth. The list is only for 1984-onwards, so South Kirkby ought to be shown as the location. I understand why you wrote down Grimethorpe though, as the list said just "Ferrymoor" rather than "Ferrymoor-Riddings". http://www.nmrs.co.uk/mainframeset.htm this is a useful place to check pit locations.

Regards, Ed. Epa101 (talk) 10:57, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Geocoding

Hi Pam, thanks for that. The section you're after is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates#Precision. I'll take a look at the how-to page & add a pointer. That said, we are nervous about providing too much information, since many people seem to find geocoding scary. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Steve Croft (priest) article

Thanks for your comments on my first shot at a Wiki article. I'm certainly open to advice.

I included the {priest) qualifier in the title as there is a Steve Croft article referring to the cricketer, which has been merged into Steven Croft with a redirect, but there were quite a few articles still linking to Steve Croft. I assumed using a new title was better, otherwise a number of cricket articles would end up pointing to the priest.

I used Steve rather than Steven as a Google check of Rev "Steve Croft" outnumbered Rev "Steven Croft" by about 2-1 and every time I have heard him referred to in conversation (including captions on interviews) has used Steve. The legal announcement of new church appointments, which is reflected in some of the sources, always use the full legal name but here for instance http://www.sheffield-diocese.org.uk/news-extra/New_Bishop_arrives_next_year.php there are a mix of Stevens and Steves.

I do plan to add the ISBNs for the books, but it might be a while before I get the chance to look them all up (unless someone beats me to it). ChapterandVerse (talk) 15:04, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Because Steve Croft has a history (having previously been used for the duplicate article on the cricketer), we can't just do an instant "Move", but I've done the official process of "Request Move", so it should be moved by an administrator in a few days. There will then be a redirect from "Steve Croft (priest)". For the moment, I'll point the redirect from "Steve Croft" to point this way. PamD (talk) 19:03, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, ChapterandVerse (talk) 22:33, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Garden Growing

"Hortuculture" is probably just a misspelling. I didn't look it up. I just recall that hortu is the Latin for garden, and spelled the English cognate accordingly. I'll go fix it. Jay L09 (talk) 18:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you, PamD. The problem here was that I for one tend to consider many "poetry collection" articles to be clutter in between the poet article and the articles (potential, in this case) on the poems themselves. In Macedonski's case there is a special problem, since he published and republished some, but not all of his poems in various books, and only some of those poems are notable enough to have articles. That's why, if it were after me, I wouldn't have created the article at all (or I would have created it last).

In any case, I'll keep that naming convention in mind for future reference - it is the first time I had to use it. Dahn (talk) 18:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

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Contractions

Sorry about those. I'm never sure when to use contractions and when to not because the Manual of Style says that they should be avoided but then sometimes contractions are acceptable. Are there any specific situations that I should not correct beside quotes? Thanks for your help! RPlunk2853 (talk) 20:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I think the Manual of Style only applies to the main namespace, the actual encyclopedia articles, not to all the apparatus of guidelines and policies etc which are written for editors (the "Wikipedia:filename" stuff, or "Project namespace"). I don't know that there's chapter and verse to say so, but I've found enough examples to convince me that it's normal to use friendly, slightly informal, language in those pages, of a kind which wouldn't be appropriate in the Encyclopedia itself. So "Don't worry, it's simple" is fine in a "WP:..." page, while neither "don't" nor "it's" would be appropriate in an article. There's plenty of work needing to be done in purging the main articles of terrible grammar and style, which might be more constructive than removing friendly informalities from the stuff written for editors! (Me, I fight a campaign against "could of" for "could have", using a Google search and AWB.) Good luck with your editing, PamD (talk) 23:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC) (Now logging out again and returning to my WikiBreak!)

Thanks A Lot

Thanks for improving the Wilbur O. Hedrick page and such. I volunteer my time for the MSU SHC for about two hours a week. I do not really have a lot of time to do fine touches and now that you did this I have a good base to work from for other articles. My boss also loves that other people are putting some effort into the history of the MSU SHC, so it's very much appreciated to see such improvements made, especially by one so practiced as yourself. --IamaMuncho (talk) 15:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK v2.0

Hello! Thanks for showing an interest in Wikimedia UK v2.0. Formation of the company is currently underway under the official name "Wiki UK Limited", and we are hoping to start accepting membership in the near future. We have been drawing up a set of membership guidelines, determining what membership levels we'll have (we plan on starting off with just standard Membership, formerly known as Guarantor Membership, with supporting membership / friends scheme coming later), who can apply for membership (everyone), what information we'll collect on the application form, why applications may be rejected, and data retention. Your input on all of this would be appreciated. We're especially after the community's thoughts on what the membership fee should be. Please leave a message on the talk page with your thoughts.

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Mount Eagle (plantation)

thanks for the disambiguation, i was just filling a red link and was not aware of the other links. Pohick2 (talk) 22:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Cornwall article / Trevose Head

Hi Pam, thanks for promptly correcting the 'stub' to 'Cornwall-geo-stub' on Trevose Head. Are you particularly interested in Cornwall geo articles per se or just as part of your long-distance paths project? Andy F (talk) 17:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Andy, Neither really - I just sort stubs as part of WP:WSS, and picked this one out as I recognised the name. It's a fascinating jigsaw-puzzle sort of challenge, finding an appropriate stub category for all the very random articles which turn up in Category:Stubs, and sometimes doing the odd bit of copy-editing, improving, tagging etc on the way! PamD (talk) 18:58, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, Pam. Pleased to meet you. Do feel free to look over any of my contributions Special:Contributions/Andy_F and copy-edit and tag or categorise as you see fit.Andy F (talk) 19:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I've just noticed that my previous comment seems to have messed-up your page layout - sorry! You can reply to my talk page (or email me) regarding the coast path article or Cornwall articles. Andy F (talk) 21:51, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your integrity

I found your comments to hag2 on Earl Brian's page. This person is one of several who have been systematically altering pages connected to Inslaw in favor of those who wish to discredit the witnesses and divert attention generated by recent media interest in the intelligence activities and murders around Cabazon. She has accused witness Michael Riconosciuto of a number of murders, it was reverted but the systematic character assassination is still going on. Altered pages include: Earl Brian Danny Casolaro Michael Riconosciuto Inslaw Supporting references are being made to a book titled Return of the Buffalo by Ambrose Lane. It is worth noting that the author was paid to write the book. The book is a biography of John P. Nichols, who served a prison sentence for solicitation of murder, he w as arrested because of the efforts of Michael Riconosciuto. A major series by kesq has generated an onslaught of effort to discredit allegations of illegal activities by law enforcement and intellgence agencies. The last several parts of the series have mentioned Michael Riconosciuto several times. http://www.kesq.com/Global/category.asp?C=99145&nav=menu191_1_1_3 A document archive has been set up at www.michaelriconosciuto.com to counter disinformation. This was done in order to cut through speculation and present evidence, it seems inappropriate to have to use wikipedia to conduct an evidenciary hearing full of speculation and character assassination. Winksatfriend (talk) 21:25, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

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