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Hello, SilkTork. You have new messages at Alexnia's talk page.You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Copy vio of legislation summary
I have found the government source at Talk:Emergency_Economic_Stabilization_Act_of_2008,
Perhaps you can remove the tag. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 13:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Deep Purple in Rock
Yes, User:Oxymoron83 should be the best one to help you. But of course, if you can't get hold of him, I can do it too, although merging these two histories will be no fun... Owen× ☎ 22:32, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
- Would you mind casting your eye over what I had done to check I have done it all correctly? Thanks
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Thanks for the vote of confidence on the article by the way. Will write more articles when i finally find something i know something about!NatashaUK (talk) 18:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
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King's School, Ely
Looks like you can fail this; nommer hasn't edited since September and no editing has taken place. Wizardman 14:07, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
- I was going to do that, and then edit it myself and resubmit for someone else to review. Then I noticed in the guidelines as I was about to Fail it this advice: "If the problem is easy to resolve, it might be better to be bold and fix it yourself." And I though I would do that. I have, however, been held up by heavy work and social commitments over the past couple of weeks. If I can't get to the article in the next couple of days I will fail it and work on it later as per my original intention. Regards
MedCab check-in
Is Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-08-11 British Isles Terminology task force still active? Vassyana (talk) 15:25, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Crystal Palace transmitting station/transmitter
Hi Silk, thanks for the message re the naming policy for these stations. There was a discussion a couple of years ago about what to do with these and the consensus reached was that we should use the correct name for all the articles i.e. "transmitting station" and then redirect from "transmitter". The reasoning is as follows:
- A "transmitter" is a box of gadgetry, usually a few cubic feet in volume. Describing a mast/tower, associated buildings, grounds and plant as a transmitter is more than just a small technicality, it is entirely wrong, and would be a poor precedent to set in an encyclopaedia.
- The broadcasters themselves describe their installations as "transmitting stations" not "transmitters". For example:
http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/belmont/belmont1.php
- I do not believe that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Name#Use_the_most_easily_recognized_name should be applied here. This policy appears to be for a situation where an object has two legitimate names, and directs the use of the most common one. This situation is different however: although the public may use "transmitter" more often, they are actually wrong in doing so. After all, this policy is not used for London landmarks such as The Gherkin or the NatWest Tower. Both of these articles are called by their technically correct names, 30 St. Mary Axe and Tower 42 respectively, not their much more commonly known nicknames or previous names. IMO the same logic should be applied with the tx stations.
Regards Chillysnow (talk) 17:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for getting back to me Chilly. And thanks for the link - however, I think the point is not that the phrase transmitting station is never used, but that transmitter is used more often. And for every example that I have noted of transmitting station being used I have found rather more examples of transmitter. I noted the amount of books which use the phrase "Crystal Palace transmitter" - [1]. And I also noted that on the Google box on my browser which offers suggestions for words I type, when putting in "crystal palace t" it offers 10 suggestions, including crystal palace transmitter, but not crystal palace transmitting station - even when I type "crystal palace transmitting".
- It is usually best to follow policy as there are reasons why policy was drawn up. The wording of the naming policy is very apt here, so I quote it in full: "Generally, article naming should prefer what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature. This is justified by the following principle: The names of Wikipedia articles should be optimized for readers over editors, and for a general audience over specialists. Wikipedia determines the recognizability of a name by seeing what verifiable reliable sources in English call the subject."
- As the Crystal Palace transmitter belongs to the BBC, it seems they would be the most reliable source. [2], [3], [4], [5], etc. I found no BBC sources (other than a learning English blog) in which "Crystal Palace transmitting station" is used.
- As transmitter is used more often than transmitting station, as most books on the subject use transmitter, as the most authoritative source uses transmitter, as Google defaults to transmitter, and we want the articles to be easily found by the most readers, then it seems the best action would be to move the articles to transmitter.
- I did take a look at the discussion you mention. [[6]]. I see no clear consensus there. Indeed, I see this comment: "I don`t really consider all of this to be a big deal but I`m in the business myself (site www.aerialsandtv.com) and I have only ever once seen transmitters referred to as "transmitting stations". Even the BBC website (on its reception advice page) refers to them as transmitters. Furthermore we have a stats package on our site (and can see what search terms are requested) and I can`t remember ever seeing anyone request "XXXXXXX transmitting station".I would have thought this last point is the most relevant." by User:JustinSmith.
- I will proceed with the moves as suggested as the evidence is compelling. If you still feel strongly that there is a special case here for these articles going against reliable sources and Wiki policy, you could raise the issue on Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions. Regards
- This discussion is too important to be hidden away on users' talk pages, or even in the talk pages for individual transmitting station articles. Please see Category_talk:Transmitter_sites_in_the_United_Kingdom.--Harumphy (talk) 12:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Dartford
Dartford Can you have a look at the activities of a persistent ip spammer. Am I being too strict in reverting this link? ClemRutter (talk) 23:12, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
- You are right to revert. The link is to a business directory - guidelines suggest we do not use such links. I have left a message on the IP's talkpage.
Chatham
Do you have a thought about the issue I've raised on Talk:Chatham,_Medway#St_John.27s_church? I don't like the wording that is there but I don't know what the author/editor meant either! MarkyMarkD (talk) 23:48, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
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- Cheers. That's infinitely clearer. MarkyMarkD (talk) 19:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
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Replies
Hi, SilkTork! In response to your post on my talk page (User talk:Rkitko#Quercus alba), you're right. That was a hasty move on my part and I will reverse it. We tend to get quite a few pages moved at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Plant articles by quality log and the general agreement in the convention and at the project is to maintain plant articles at the scientific name, unless it meets one of the exceptions you noted. I should pay attention more when I make my rounds! Quercus alba certainly meets that exception. Eventually the goal will be to have two articles, one that describes the cultural use, properties of all the various products, and history thereof at white oak and the botanical properties, history, and life cycle, etc. at Quercus alba. But this article isn't nearly long enough to split.
And in response to your message regarding my conflict with Rotational, I really would appreciate mediation. It's drawn on too long and we've proven that we can't come to an agreement on our own. I had tried a WP:THIRD once (here), but I don't think it was very helpful. Of course the MoS is only a guideline and it is stated that exceptions are allowed, but I still don't see how Rotational's preferences (for images, infoboxes, and headings) are an improvement. It seems more to me like an editor trying to protect his articles to maintain his style preferences, not to mention his POINTy edits reported in the last AN/I. I would welcome mediation for this if you're up to the challenge. How would you do this? Set up a user subpage for this? Hopefully Rotational will agree to discuss our disagreements and maybe we can finally put this to rest. I won't have much time in the near future to dedicate to the discussions, so I don't promise swift responses, but I'm dedicated to a resolution or at the very least civil discussion. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 23:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- Civil discussion is certainly the way forward. I'll get in touch with Rotational. Regards
/Rkitko - Rotational Discussion
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Your RfA is ready!
SilkTork, your new RfA page is ready for you to accept my nomination and answer the questions. I'll transclude the page once you've done that. Good luck! Owen× ☎ 15:15, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
